Well I guess I can leave a comment here. Does anyone remember Charles Smith. Ok, so he was not the best worker in the plant. But he worked the same way for nearly ten years and because someone did not like him he suddenly lost his job. Don't believe it? Ask around. Charles was a great guy who lost his job because he had no one to represent him. That is what union does. Who's next. Me? You?
I remember Charles. You are right he wasn't the best. Nice guy who shouldn't have lasted as long as he did. Sorry for his family but does having a union mean we have to put up with people who don't work? Good reason not to have a union I would guess.
Charles was indeed a nice guy, but a nice guy does not a good worker make.
I think the person we should think about is Jim A. I think we all know who I mean, but I don't want to put his name on anything without him knowing.
He's what I would call the quintesential perfect worker... obsessed with quality and safety... yet management hates him, and I've had several people in Operations through my stay here openly admit they don't like him, and are looking for a reason to fire him as soon as he slips.
Bubba Cutler would announce over the radio "The Eagle has landed" whenever he saw Jim enter the workplace, to get managment's attention. The fact that he's such an awesome workhorse is all that has saved him.
Charles got fired for working 1 out of 4 burst booths, and leaving units sitting there for hours... granted, I would hope the union would keep it from being where anyone would have to work a 4 station burst test area alone again.
Absolutely not!!! You make a great point but you missed mine. Charles did not lose his job because he was a sub standard worker. He had been that for 10 Years. Mabe you and I think that Charles was not the best worker in the plant. Can you name any others? How do you and I know that what Charle had to give was not the best he had? He did it that way for 10 years. Who is to say that what you and I contribute to this plant is or is not the best we have to give? A team leader who does not like us or is looking for a scapegoat? The word of a coworker who has a grudge? Have you or anyone you know ever recieved a write-up or PID that you thought was unfair? Have you ever known anyone to get into severe trouble because of a lie? Who did they have to turn to? People like you and me who think that maybe they should have been fired after the first 3..4..5..10 years? My point is that all our jobs are hanging by a thread held not by you or me but by a managment that can do or change anything they want at any time they want. Do I want more money? Duh!! But more than that I want to have representation if I feel I am being treated unfairly. I do not believe we have that now and that the only way to get it is to have a UNION CONTRACT that specifically states my rights and is not subject to the whim of a corporate entity that I feel is not always motivated by my best interest. My question is still the same. Who is next? ME? YOU?
I dont know who charles was. Before my time maby. But I have worked burst and it is hard enough to keep the unites moving with two or even three people. If he was left there by himself then whoever put him there should have been fired nor him. It souinds to me like he was set up. And if those in charge could not see that then they are either dumb or in on the setup. Go union!!!!
How many more cards do we need to go to a vote? That's what we want, the chance to vote yes or no. I beleive if we can vote then there will be no stopping the Union. So many people are scared that we vote then they will come out in droves to vote yes. How many more do we need tho? Are we even close?
You don't need a union contract to have rights. Unions were necessary during a time where there weren't employment laws like we have today (FMLA, ADA, discrimination laws, etc). No matter what you think about management they are required to make employment decisions within the confines of the law. You have benefits that you would not have if LH was a union plant. Ask the Clarksville ees about their short term disability pay...ask them if they have vacation donate, or what about the employee disc committee that you can go before for attendance terminations, just to name a few. You're being sold a bill of goods.
So you think that this company has your best interests at heart. FMLA, ADA, discrimination laws. Those all sound like Government programs to me. Who do you think forced the government and companys to establish these programs? UNIONS!! Why do you think we even have things like overtime pay and benifits? UNIONS!!! You say that we no longer need to unite. I say that there has never been a time when we needed to unite more than right now. Consider this!! Do you think that corp bigwigs will ever pay the Chinese and Mexican workers a competitive wage with what we make here in these great United States. Don't bet on it!! What they would like to see is our wages lowered to a minimum wage that is standard in a globle market place. Get educated and stop parroting the bill of goods that corporate has been selling you!! The only hope that the American worker has is to unite!!
I was a little confused with the poster who sited that unions were needed before labor laws were passed,(FMLA, etc). No direspect, but the LABOR UNIONS are the organizations who worked day and night to make that happen. Matter of fact, it was the IAM who fought in the early 20th century for the laws for the 8 hour day. Every benefit that workers have today were not JUST GIVEN to them by corporate america, they were fought for on the shop floors, in town hall meetings, in employees homes, and in the halls of Congress. So yes, companies have to comply with the law, but NOT because they want to, BUT because their were laws made to make employees lives better. As for having benefits that you would not have if LH were a union plant, I would love to know what THOSE are. As of today you are at the whims of the company, any so called benefits you have today could be taken away TOMORROW just by someone saying so. With a contract, your rights, benefits, VACATION DONATE, etc, would be spelled out. Management would not be able to come in and change the terms on a whim. As for a committee you go for concerning terminations, with the IAM, YOU THE EMPLOYEES ELECT your grievance committee and it sits and hears terminations and fights for your rights. NOT a committee hand picked by the company. In other words, together you guys will stand tall for your rights, divided you will continue to beg for the crumbs LH Trane wants you to have........ take control of your future.
Charles Smith was a horrible person to work with. Nice guy yes, but horrible worker. I'd hope a Union would see that as well and would have jousted him.
Proud to be Union You have power in numbers, the only reason any work place has holidays or vactions or overtime pay is because of unions our forfathers fought hard to get what everyone takes for granted. The only way to have any say in how your treated or how much your wages are is to be UNION.
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Well I guess I can leave a comment here. Does anyone remember Charles Smith. Ok, so he was not the best worker in the plant. But he worked the same way for nearly ten years and because someone did not like him he suddenly lost his job. Don't believe it? Ask around. Charles was a great guy who lost his job because he had no one to represent him. That is what union does. Who's next. Me? You?
I remember Charles. You are right he wasn't the best. Nice guy who shouldn't have lasted as long as he did. Sorry for his family but does having a union mean we have to put up with people who don't work? Good reason not to have a union I would guess.
Charles was indeed a nice guy, but a nice guy does not a good worker make.
I think the person we should think about is Jim A. I think we all know who I mean, but I don't want to put his name on anything without him knowing.
He's what I would call the quintesential perfect worker... obsessed with quality and safety... yet management hates him, and I've had several people in Operations through my stay here openly admit they don't like him, and are looking for a reason to fire him as soon as he slips.
Bubba Cutler would announce over the radio "The Eagle has landed" whenever he saw Jim enter the workplace, to get managment's attention. The fact that he's such an awesome workhorse is all that has saved him.
Charles got fired for working 1 out of 4 burst booths, and leaving units sitting there for hours... granted, I would hope the union would keep it from being where anyone would have to work a 4 station burst test area alone again.
Absolutely not!!! You make a great point but you missed mine. Charles did not lose his job because he was a sub standard worker. He had been that for 10 Years. Mabe you and I think that Charles was not the best worker in the plant. Can you name any others? How do you and I know that what Charle had to give was not the best he had? He did it that way for 10 years. Who is to say that what you and I contribute to this plant is or is not the best we have to give? A team leader who does not like us or is looking for a scapegoat? The word of a coworker who has a grudge? Have you or anyone you know ever recieved a write-up or PID that you thought was unfair? Have you ever known anyone to get into severe trouble because of a lie? Who did they have to turn to? People like you and me who think that maybe they should have been fired after the first 3..4..5..10 years? My point is that all our jobs are hanging by a thread held not by you or me but by a managment that can do or change anything they want at any time they want. Do I want more money? Duh!! But more than that I want to have representation if I feel I am being treated unfairly. I do not believe we have that now and that the only way to get it is to have a UNION CONTRACT that specifically states my rights and is not subject to the whim of a corporate entity that I feel is not always motivated by my best interest. My question is still the same. Who is next? ME? YOU?
I dont know who charles was. Before my time maby. But I have worked burst and it is hard enough to keep the unites moving with two or even three people. If he was left there by himself then whoever put him there should have been fired nor him. It souinds to me like he was set up. And if those in charge could not see that then they are either dumb or in on the setup. Go union!!!!
How many more cards do we need to go to a vote? That's what we want, the chance to vote yes or no. I beleive if we can vote then there will be no stopping the Union. So many people are scared that we vote then they will come out in droves to vote yes. How many more do we need tho? Are we even close?
You don't need a union contract to have rights. Unions were necessary during a time where there weren't employment laws like we have today (FMLA, ADA, discrimination laws, etc). No matter what you think about management they are required to make employment decisions within the confines of the law. You have benefits that you would not have if LH was a union plant. Ask the Clarksville ees about their short term disability pay...ask them if they have vacation donate, or what about the employee disc committee that you can go before for attendance terminations, just to name a few.
You're being sold a bill of goods.
So you think that this company has your best interests at heart. FMLA, ADA, discrimination laws. Those all sound like Government programs to me. Who do you think forced the government and companys to establish these programs? UNIONS!! Why do you think we even have things like overtime pay and benifits? UNIONS!!! You say that we no longer need to unite. I say that there has never been a time when we needed to unite more than right now. Consider this!! Do you think that corp bigwigs will ever pay the Chinese and Mexican workers a competitive wage with what we make here in these great United States. Don't bet on it!! What they would like to see is our wages lowered to a minimum wage that is standard in a globle market place. Get educated and stop parroting the bill of goods that corporate has been selling you!! The only hope that the American worker has is to unite!!
I was a little confused with the poster who sited that unions were needed before labor laws were passed,(FMLA, etc). No direspect, but the LABOR UNIONS are the organizations who worked day and night to make that happen. Matter of fact, it was the IAM who fought in the early 20th century for the laws for the 8 hour day. Every benefit that workers have today were not JUST GIVEN to them by corporate america, they were fought for on the shop floors, in town hall meetings, in employees homes, and in the halls of Congress. So yes, companies have to comply with the law, but NOT because they want to, BUT because their were laws made to make employees lives better.
As for having benefits that you would not have if LH were a union plant, I would love to know what THOSE are. As of today you are at the whims of the company, any so called benefits you have today could be taken away TOMORROW just by someone saying so. With a contract, your rights, benefits, VACATION DONATE, etc, would be spelled out. Management would not be able to come in and change the terms on a whim. As for a committee you go for concerning terminations, with the IAM, YOU THE EMPLOYEES ELECT your grievance committee and it sits and hears terminations and fights for your rights. NOT a committee hand picked by the company. In other words, together you guys will stand tall for your rights, divided you will continue to beg for the crumbs LH Trane wants you to have........ take control of your future.
Charles Smith was a horrible person to work with. Nice guy yes, but horrible worker. I'd hope a Union would see that as well and would have jousted him.
Proud to be Union
You have power in numbers, the only reason any work place has holidays or vactions or overtime pay is because of unions our forfathers fought hard to get what everyone takes for granted. The only way to have any say in how your treated or how much your wages are is to be UNION.
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